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New ‘Pool Allocated’ Silver Storage To Replace Unallocated

Topics [ unallocated depository services store silver allocated silver bullion certificates ]

TREASURY VIEW

The Perth Mint is introducing a new product called Pool Allocated Silver for Depository and Certificate clients and making changes to Allocated storage fees.

The new product, which will be available from 1 May 2011, operates in a similar way to the current Unallocated silver storage option, which will be withdrawn on the same date. Pricing and other details for this and for Allocated storage fees  can be found at the end of this article.

With Unallocated silver storage, clients purchased an interest in a pool of silver used to support our refining and manufacturing businesses. We backed every investment by purchasing an equivalent amount of silver from the spot market.

The new Pool Allocated product will also be 100% backed, but by specific physical bars stored in The Perth Mint’s vaults. Clients will own a share of this pool of bars, although an individual’s holding will not relate to any specific bar.

Lists detailing the weights and numbers of these silver bars will be published daily, along with the total number of pooled bars held on behalf of clients on The Perth Mint corporate website.

We’re making the change from Unallocated to Pool Allocated because the amount of Unallocated silver we hold on behalf of clients now exceeds that required to support our business activities. We had targeted a certain amount of excess Unallocated “buffer stock” but rising insurance and other costs plus growing demand have accelerated our decision to close Unallocated.

One of the chief benefits of pooling silver bars is that it allows us to offer a low storage fee of 0.95% per annum. Pool Allocated clients will be able to convert their holdings into coins or bars for collection or to store with the Mint as Allocated.

From 1 May 2011, no new Unallocated silver accounts will be opened.  Existing Unallocated accounts will remain open and free of storage. However, clients will not be permitted to add to their unallocated balances and will only be able to sell or collect.

The Perth Mint cannot foresee reopening Unallocated silver for some time. This would only occur if we encountered significant and continued selling by existing Unallocated silver holders. We have primarily attracted buy-and-hold investors and we do not currently see, nor expect to see, any change in this regard.

At this stage Unallocated gold is not affected but it too will close at some point as gold demand also continues to be strong.

Revised Product Information Statements and Agreements will be available at http://www.perthmint.com.au/investment.aspx

Summary of pricing and other changes:

The fees below will apply to all clients, existing and new.

Trading Fees

Perth Mint Certificates are only sold through Approved Dealers, who each charge different trading fees. Clients should contact their Approved Dealer for their fees.

For direct Perth Mint Depository Program clients a 2% buy (entry) fee and 1% sell (exit) fee will apply to Australian & New Zealand clients with account balances under $50,000 AUD and International clients with accounts under $250,000 USD. No entry or exit fee applies to direct clients with account balances greater than those amounts.

Storage Fees – Allocated and Pool Allocated Holdings

Storage fees for both Allocated and Pool Allocated holdings will  be charged quarterly in advance, payable on 30 June and 31 December. There will be no refunds if selling during a quarter.

The percentage per annum rates below will apply based on the beginning of quarter market value of the metal. Existing Allocated clients have had fees based on their historical purchase value. As our insurance cost is based on current market value, this was no longer sustainable. However, in acknowledgement of the increase in metal prices our clients have enjoyed, we will reduce the percentage rates to reduce the impact.

• Allocated Gold - 1.00% (reduced from 1.5%)
• Allocated Silver - 1.90% (reduced from 2.5%)
• Allocated Platinum - 1.00% (reduced from 1.5%)
• Pool Allocated Silver - 0.95%
• Unallocated Gold – will remain free for new and existing clients
• Unallocated Silver – will remain free for existing clients only

For comparison, we note that the GLD ETFs charges 0.40% and Sprott’s Silver ETF 0.45%. We feel our Allocated gold at 1.00% and Pool Allocated Silver at 0.95% compare favourably with the ETFs when the Perth Mint’s Government Guarantee as well as the ability to take delivery in any of the Perth Mint’s coin and bar products are taken into consideration.

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23 Comments

  • March 30 2011

    goldpelican says:

    "For direct Perth Mint Depository Program clients a 2% buy (entry) fee and 1% sell (exit) fee will apply to Australian & New Zealand clients with account balances under $50,000 AUD"

    Does the $50,000 balance for fee exemption apply per metal, or can it be combined holdings? For example, if someone held $25,000 in unallocated gold and $25,000 in pool allocated silver, would they be subject to the 2% entry and 1% exit fees?
  • March 30 2011

    Bron Suchecki says:

    The $50,000 applies to combined/total account balance, so if you had $25k gold and $25k silver there would not be any entry/exit fees applied.
  • April 01 2011

    Elly says:

    Hey Bron. Do you remember me predicting a while ago that this was inevidably going to happen?!

    An annual fee for unallocated silver was always going to be on the cards, given that demand has long outstripped the mint's "working inventory" needs. It was merely a question of when, not if. Also, unlike gold, silver is bulky, thus storage is more expensive on a "dollar value" basis.

    What I AM disappointed about is the size of the annual fee. 0.95% is NOT at all competitive, and is possibly amongst the most expensive in the world. Almost all "paper silver" products on the market today charge between 0.45-0.51% per annum. Even the WA government guarantee and the ability to take physical delivery don't come close to making up for the massive difference in price, IMHO. I, for one, am unlikely to buy into this product at the current fee rate.

    Perhaps the price should be reconsidered? If you can offer the world's second-cheapest unallocated gold storage, surely you can do the same with silver, and match the market "going rate"? Otherwise, I wonder how popular this new product will turn out to be.

    Also, I wonder, is there any company nowadays which would have the ability to do with silver what the Perth mint does with gold - i.e. use investors' money to fund its' working inventory? I know that once upon a time, Kodak was the world's biggest silver consumer, but with the age of digital photography, I doubt that is still the case. If you feel it relevant, perhaps you could give us an insight as to whom today's biggest silver consumers are (besides JPMorgan and HSBC, with their silver trading antics, and the ETFs whose silver they store and play around with)?

    Are you in a position to tell us where things stand on the "gold" side? How far is demand from reaching the point where unallocated gold will be closed to new investors?
  • April 01 2011

    Bron Suchecki says:

    Look closely at all the disclaimers in the ETF offering document, which include statements that the issuers and custodians take no responsibility if the metal is stolen.

    Our view is those disclaimers, combined with our insured & Government Guarante plus the ability to take delivery in small coin and bar, justify a premium.

    There are other companies that use precious metals in their business, but look at all the naysayers and negative publicity we get with out unallocated and we have a Government Guarantee. I think a private company trying to do the same will have bigger problems marketing such a scheme.

    How long before we close unallocated gold depends on how quickly people buy gold plus where the gold price goes, so we just can't answer that.

  • April 01 2011

    Tony says:

    The new fee schedule for allocated accounts has the potential to be return some rather steep storage bills; especially for early adopters. Is there scope for current allocated account holders to transfer to unallocated prior to the drop-dead date?
  • April 04 2011

    Bron Suchecki says:

    Agree Tony, in retrospect basing fees on historical prices was maybe not the most sustainable method considering insurance is based on market value.

    You can switch to unallocated if you want or alternatively take delivery and store with a non-bank safety deposit box provider.
  • May 07 2011

    Anne says:

    Can an allocated account holder still switch to unallocated at this point, even though the May 1st deadline has passed?  I'm wondering if the deadline is only applicable to the metals purchased after but not prior to it...  
  • May 09 2011

    Bron Suchecki says:

    Unallocated silver is closed to new inflows from both new and existing clients, so no you can't switch from allocated to unallocated, it would have to be to pool allocated silver.

    Existing unallocated silver accounts are OK, but if you sell unallocated silver and then want to buy back in, it will have to be to pool allocated silver.
  • May 11 2011

    SamGoldman says:

    Hi

    Can someone explain how does the entry / exit fee structure work?

    I've recently setup Depository Ac and want to execute an initial trade of say $25k (mix of unallocated & allocated). Do I incur any entry fee?

    If I start selling partially before my account balance went greater than 50k do I incur the exit fee?

    Sorry if its a dumb q but really not sure how to interpret the fees!
  • May 12 2011

    Stephen Ward says:

    Hi SamGoldman

    Please find the following response from John Durham, the Manager of Depository Services:

    The transaction fees are based on the combined value of the account holding at the time of the transaction and $50k is the cut off ($250k for international clients).

    If the combined value of the account at the time of a transaction is $50k or more, transaction fees do not apply. If the combined value is less than $50k then a 2% buy or 1% sell fee will apply. The combined value is made up of metal and cash.

    If your initial purchase is $25k then the buy fee will apply because at this time, there is no metal or cash in the account and a purchase of $25k will not take it over the $50k limit. Once this metal has been bought however, if you buy an additional $30k for example, the buy fee will not apply because the metal value is $25k and the cash is $30k, so the combined value of the account at that time is over the $50k limit.

    If you sell part of your metal holding and the account balance is not quite $50k, then the fees will apply. If you sell part of your metal holding and the value of your account is say, $60k, the fee will not apply because at the time of the sale the value of the metal and cash in your account is greater than $50k.

  • May 21 2011

    SG says:

    I know Perth Mint does not provide tax advice, but I would like to ask anyone who can answer thi: if someone is to switch over from Perth Mint Certificate Programme to the Pert Mint Depository Programme (thereby surrender the old Certificates for a new set of Certificates/Statement), would it be considered a sale and a new purchase (therefore liable for Capital Gains Tax)from ATO's point of view?
  • May 24 2011

    Stephen Ward says:

    John Durham, Manager - Depository Services says:

    "Transferring from PMCP to PMDP is only changing Programs, it is not a sale of metal.  The client has not sold part or all of their ounces to generate a cash amount.  Changing from PMCP to PMDP means that all of the clients holdings are transferred to the new program.  As PMDP does not issue Certificates, the certificates connected to the previous PMCP account must be redeemed on our system.  For further information regarding this process he should phone us on 08 9421 7250.

    The client should contact the ATO or their Tax Advisor for specific information regarding tax events."
  • June 29 2011

    Nathan says:

    Hi,

    I wonder if you could clearly clarify the differences between buying gold through PMCP and PMDP programs please. Thank you.

  • July 04 2011

    Bron Suchecki says:

    Nathan,

    PMCP and PMDP only differ in three respects:

    1. PMCP are transacted through Approved Dealers for overseas clients. With PMDP you transact directly with the Perth Mint.
    2. With PMCP you receive a paper Certificate evidencing your purchase. With PMDP you get trade confirmations and account statements only.
    3. Transaction fees differ between each Approved Dealer as well as the Mint.

    Otherwise they are identical in terms of what products you can buy and how your metal is stored.
  • August 29 2011

    mko says:

    I understand there would not be entry and exit fee for account balance > 50k AUD (for Australian)

    How does this entry/exit fee relate to the MARKET ORDERS / FIX FEES??
     
    Say if my balance is 200K AUD, and I am selling 1000 oz of sliver at market price $40. What is the fee that I have to pay? Do I still have to pay the Fix Fees at $0.1 per oz?



  • August 30 2011

    mko says:

    I am an Australian. I am confused transaction fees with market orders / fix fees.

    Could you please give me an example of how much fee I have to pay if my account has a total of $100K worth of Silver, and I am selling 50K worth of Silver, and the final total balance is still over 50K after the sales (say 80K)?

    Many thanks!!
  • August 31 2011

    John Durham says:

    Hi Mko

    Market order fees and requirements are in addition to the standard fees that may be applicable to your particular Depository account.  Please contact our office by telephone on +61 8 9421 7250 should you require further clarification.

    Regards

    John Durham
    Manager - Depository Services
  • September 07 2011

    Nina says:

    Hi - I am Australian looking to open a PMCP. In regards to the minimum for account opening.(10K) say I invest 20K and at some point want to sell 15K, or the whole 20K...is this possible or is it required at alltimes for there tobe an existing 10K in the account?

    Thanks

    Administrator: Clients can liquidate their entire holding, however the account opening and transaction minimums apply to future transactions.  Therefore if all the metal in their account is sold, the next transaction will need to be a minimum of $10k, to ensure that both the $10k opening amount and $5k minimum transaction amounts are met. Please contact Depository on 8 9421 7250 for further clarification.
  • November 23 2011

    Anne says:

    Is the new fee schedule for allocated accounts applicable to both old and new clients?  In other words, are the allocated metal storage fees the same for metals purchased both before and after July 1, 2011 when the allocated storage fee schedule has been updated?  Recently I talked to a couple of my friends who are old allocated metal holders with Perth Mint for many years, and they didn't get a letter from Perth Mint regarding the new fee schedule.  So I'm wondering if old clients will continue to pay storage based on historical prices instead of market values, and the new fee schedule is only relevant to new clients.  Thanks!
  • November 23 2011

    John Durham says:

    Hi Anne
    The current fee schedule applies to all clients, old and new. I am unsure why your friends did not receive the letters that were sent earlier this year advising of the change to our Terms & Conditions, however this information was also available on our website.  Please do not hesitate to contact Depository directly should you have any further queries (+61 8 9421 7250 or pmds@perthmint.com.au)
    Regards
    John Durham
    Manager - Depository Services
  • July 26 2012

    CH says:

    There is a comparison of different providers of allocated gold/ silver under http://www.trustablegold.com.

    Peth Mint Depository is also listed...
  • October 14 2012

    Chowwg says:

    Hi,

    I would like to know if the pool allocated silver stored in Perth Mint's vault is solely own by all investor of pool allocated silver or it comprises silver owned by allocated account holder.

    And if the quantity of silver bars in pool allocated storage fluctuates only according to pool allocated investors demand.

    Appreciate your clarification.

  • October 15 2012

    Bron Suchecki says:

    Chowwg,



    The bars listed on our Pool Allocated bar list here http://www.perthmint.com.au/pool_allocated_bar_listing.aspx are reserved for Pool Allocated clients only. It does not contain client Allocated bars as those are private property of those clients and not on our balance sheet.



    As a result, changes in the Pool Allocated bar list reflect the buying and selling of Pool Allocated clients only.

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