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Road To Roota Wrong On Perth Mint Unallocated

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TREASURY VIEW

Bix Weir’s recent article SILVER: What Happens When… gets it wrong when he says that The Perth Mint’s Depository “customers cannot convert” to physical and “cash settlement may be the only option”.

Bix’s misunderstanding stems from taking the comments of the Mint’s Treasurer out of context and assuming that the statement “cannot meet all the enquiries” was about all enquiries across the diverse business units of the Mint. I can confirm that the Treasurer’s comments were only in respect of the wholesale market and not in reference to retail or Depository demand.

Usually the context or target of these sorts of newswire articles is the wholesale market. This is alluded to in the quote “the biggest demand is coming from banks and traders looking for kilo bars” but to be fair to Bix this is probably not clear, especially after journalists edit a full interview down into catchy quotes.

In actuality, the fact that the Mint cannot meet all wholesale enquiries is proof that Depository clients are protected and safe, contrary to Bix’s conclusion. The Perth Mint understands its obligations to its Depository clients and its policy is to prioritise unallocated conversions to allocated or delivery. It is only after fulfilling Depository conversion/delivery requests from its stockpiles and approximately 300 tonnes per year of new mine production that the Mint’s Treasurer will offer what is left to the wholesale market (that is, the bullion banks).

If you think about it, prioritising Depository and retail bullion sales demand is not some ethical decision but perfect commercial sense – why supply to wholesalers at lower fabrication premiums when your retail premiums are higher?

The Treasurer’s statement that “demand for our coins and medallions is strong” is alluding to our Depository and retail bullion trading demand. Since this is strong, supplies to the wholesale market are restricted and hence we are unable to “meet all the enquiries” of the bullion banks.

There are also a few other incorrect statements in the article that need clarifying.

BIX: “runs quite a large paper gold and silver operation with their unallocated pooled accounts and metal leasing operations”

Bix’s reference to “metal leasing operations” is totally without basis. If he had read a few more paragraphs down from his own quote from our website he would have found the following:

“The Perth Mint is not a bullion bank and does not provide project financing or bullion lending/derivative services to mining companies or other entities.  It does not lend client's unallocated metal to support short selling transactions or other derivative activities.  The unallocated metal is utilised solely to fund the Mint's operations.”

Can’t get any clearer than that. Furthermore, if he looked at our latest annual report, we disclose ZERO outward precious metal leases (loans).

BIX: “The business model is massively flawed because the offering entity doesn't even charge enough to cover obvious expenses like insuring metal, storing physical metal, tracking, collecting, administration”

I’m assuming Bix is referring to Unallocated here, because Allocated  storage has a 1.5% pa charge that I think anyone would be hard pressed to claim is too low. However, Bix says “charge enough”, which is a little confusing because we don’t charge ANYTHING for Unallocated storage. This is not a massively flawed business model as he claims. In fact if we did charge a fee on Unallocated for insurance and storage it would be double dipping!

This is because the costs Bix refers to are costs associated with production of our coins and bars and as a result are covered by our fabrication premiums. Before the Depository business existed we incurred these costs and customers buying our coins and bars “paid” for these costs via our fabrication premiums. Nothing has changed just because our physical operational metal is now owned by our Depository clients rather than bullion banks as it was in the past. To then claim that we need to charge Unallocated clients a fee because we have storage and insurance costs, when those costs have always been and still are covered by fabrication premiums could possibly be considered deceptive.

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8 Comments

  • January 13 2011

    Christopher says:

    Full time challenge keeping on top of perceptions isn't it?  
  • January 13 2011

    Bix Weir says:

    Hi Bron

    Thanks for the email and your remarks. I do have a few questions as our viewpoints don't exactly match.

    Contrary to what you wrote, the Perth Mint DOES provide metal leasing as well as other paper metal services through your Treasury Department. Here's the link to your website: http://www.perthmint.com.au/about-treasury.aspx

    "Our services include:"

        * Sales and Purchases of Precious Metals
        * Location Swaps
        * Leasing, Consignment Stock and Funding Facilities
        * Price Hedging

    It can't be much clearer than that.

    In the 2008 Gold Corp Annual Report your metal leasing programs were clearly represented. They seemed to have disappeared from your reporting in the 2009 Report. If you have terminated these programs please explain how it was done and why.

    As for other related issue there have been many, many problems with delivery of Perth Mint metal in the past so you don't exactly have a very trustworthy track record. A few years back Jason Hommel documented some of these:

    http://silverstockreport.com/2008/perth7.html

    As for your ability to deliver in time of distress...I guess it depends on "how distressful" things get. Gold and Silver are the ultimate forms of money. IF the global derivative bubble pops I can practically guarantee you that all those pieces of paper metal will go up in smoke with the trillions of other promises.

    I' m sure you'll agree that...THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR PHYSICAL GOLD AND SILVER IN YOUR OWN HANDS IN TIMES OF REAL TROUBLE.

    I usually don't get into battles of words with those who try to discredit my offerings because I deal mostly on the conspiratorial side but I hope you can see where I would make the connections I'd appreciate some sort of explanation if I am as far off base as you say.

    All the best and thanks for your time.

    Bix Weir
    The Road to Roota Letters

  • January 13 2011

    Observer says:

    Hi

    Can you also please explain what the following PMDS service, from the http://www.perthmint.com.au/investment_depository_range_of_services.aspx page, means:

    Other Services

    In addition to the above, PMDS clients can:

    • purchase European style put and call options over gold (in lots of 1000oz) and silver (in lots of 250,000oz);

    I am not a trader of any sort but does that mean a Futures Contract type of trading?

  • January 13 2011

    Christopher says:

    Lets see if I can get the answers right here...

    1) The services mentioned on the Treasury website are services provided / facilitated / offered to Treasury clients and are in no way associated with the unallocated gold or allocated gold storage facilities offered to Depository clients.

    2) Regarding previous years reports, there an item for metal leased to the refinery which was at that time a joint venture between the Mint and Johnson Matthey.  In 2010 the Mint purchased the refinery operations outright and thus there is no longer a value for leased metals on the annual report.

    3) Sure, when things go to pot getting metal from anywhere is going to be a tad more difficult / illegal than in most times.  A few points to consider though:  
     a) The metal is actually retained at the refinery at all times, so its not as though  you hold a claim to something that doesn't exist.
     b) Even if Force Maguere is declared, the metal will only be unavailable for that period that declaration is in effect.
     c) The unallocated metal makes up the working stock of the refinery and as such is specifically excluded from being recalled by the federal government in the corresponding legislation.  It may well be one of the very few places your metal can actually legally be retained in that instance.
     d) The mint provides advice/guidance to the effect that if it looks like things are going to go that badly, you should take possession of your metal.


  • January 14 2011

    Bron Suchecki says:

    I've responded to Bix's questions in another post, due to the length of the response: http://www.perthmintbullion.com/blog/blog/11-01-14/Response_To_Bix_Weir_Questions.aspx

    Regarding Observer's comments, that text refers to Options rather than Futures contracts. We have only had a few clients do this in the past but none for a while now. Being leveraged to the gold price the lack of interest in these probably reflects the conservative nature of our client base.

    If a client is interested in options, we do them on a made-to-order basis and back them with corresponding option from the wholesale market - we don't write options ourselves.
  • January 21 2011

    Michael Silver says:

    Ooh options...Im all about holding physical stock, and not worrying about what's happening in the market on a day to day or hourly basis. People who do that either make a lot of money, or lose a lot of money. But each to their own. My line of think is asset protection.
    Perth Mint Bullion people, if you'd like to distrubute through our website Buy Silver Bullion, which is just an info site about silver bullion, and how good it is. We have no selling facilities, and would like to partner with you if you wish.
  • May 14 2011

    KAIMU says:

    Aloha!!

    I' m sure you'll agree that...THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR PHYSICAL GOLD AND SILVER IN YOUR OWN HANDS IN TIMES OF REAL TROUBLE.

    I do not agree with that statement, which is why I chose to diversify to such long term formidable institutions like the PERTH MINT.  As an American any of us can attest to various instances of robbery, home invasion, car jacking and many other personal types of felonies that can occur at any time, even in the best of times. Gold and silver in your hands in times of real trouble can easily be gold and silver in anyone's hands with a gun at your head, as there are more guns in America than people! Times of "real trouble" guarantee you nothing is safe especially if you live in a major US city. I truly do not understand why people believe there are any 100% guarantees even if you take possession.

    While I doubt the US Treasury will confiscate gold and silver from US citizens like FDR did(only gold) I do not doubt the US Treasury will confiscate your gold and silver via taxation. They already tax it at a 28% rate should you decide to exchange it for USD debt based paper. I see no reason why the current tax rate will not go higher. In"times of real trouble" governments will make every attempt to take more of its citizens property and wages not less.

    There are no safe guarantees ...
  • July 23 2011

    Mark says:


    Perhaps it may help to define what it means to have physical gold and silver in your own hands. I think that the crux of what is being argued here is what's known in financial circles as 'counter-party risk'. Simply stated, it is when the other party (ie. buyer-seller) doesn't show up with the goods/payment come settlement time. All assets incl. EFTs and paper-assets have counter-party risk.

    Example:
    -------------
    1) I purchase 1oz of gold from a dealer and have it sent to my home. I receive it in the mail a few days later. I now own 1oz of physical gold.

    2) I purchase 1oz of gold from a dealer, but instead of taking delivery I allow them to store it in their vaults, of which I receive a Certificate of Deposit (CoD) that shows that I own 1oz of gold. Because I don't have the gold in my own possession, the risk is that should I need to get my gold quickly (eg. a major panic where everyone wants to take physical delivery), the dealer may have been fraudulently selling more gold CoDs than he actually had physical gold (ie. anything more than a 1:1 lending ratio), and therefore is unable to give you your gold (at which point you are left holding a CoD which is effectively just a piece of paper).
    -----------

    However with physical gold and silver, once they are in your possession then counter-party risk ceases to be a problem. In times of major crisis share markets, banks and other paper-based assets can be frozen or shut down along with all your savings/capital, but physical gold and silver remains physical gold and silver regardless of circumstances. Obviously there are still risks: burglars can steal it, you can get robbed, your house can burn down with your metals inside it, etc, but these risks aren't unique to gold or silver.

    Personally I'm in the process of arranging the majority of my physical gold/silver to be stored inside a safety deposit box at a private maximum security vault, as well as keeping a smaller amount of coins at home in my safe. Even though I'll have 70-80% of my precious metals off-site, I consider these metals to be in my physical possession, since I can go to the vault, open my deposit box and physically account for it at any time. Sure it may cost me a few hundred dollars to have to organise Allocated/Secured storage, but for me that's a small price to pay for privacy and peace of mind.

    Compare that to having Unallocated/Unsecured/Un-backed storage whereby I thought I was doing the right thing in owning a gold or silver CoD, only to discover that the silver that I thought I 100% owned was also fraudulently sold to numerous other people as well. If 100 people are each trying to claim 1kg of silver and the dealer only has 10kg available, then chances are I'm not going to be able to get all of my silver immediately.
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